Conference 3 | Voting

So here's the final day of the summit: Voting.

Just fill out the form below and once the majority of the union votes, then we'll tally it up and there's the verdict.

1. Should we keep the CIB?
1a. If no, should we follow the CIB guidelines?
1b. If no, should we vote on the guidelines and decide which ones to keep?
2. Should we have a judiciary department?
2a. If you said yes for #1 & #2, should we merge the CIB with the judiciary?

1. Yes let it have it's chance
1a. Even if it fails let them have there chance
1b. If 1a is given a chance then revote on this later some may work some may fail
2. No, then we do get the governing body that people feared.
2a. No, they are two separate entities. If you make a Judiciary and keep the CIB keep them separate

1. No
1a. No, beter guidelines can be made and decided by the WHOLE AIN not just the CIB.
2. Yes, Obviously the judiciary department isnt only for dispute, but to make sure nations follow laws we create. As well as delcon is showing us the Judiciary department is needed, his ban is not strongly enforced enough, for me, its a joke, a ban only when he goes on holidays and a 2 week ban with breaks in between, surely you must be s---ing my -ss. Right now its only enforced by the admin which may not be a "third party" in disputes in the future, judiciary would be more neutral and not partial to either side.
2a. Yes, the CIB settle dispute, the Judiciary department enforce the laws, the Judicary department can enforce and settle dispute. No need to have a seperate panel to settle dispute, it can become corruptible easily, especially if a member dislikes the member appearing upon the CIB, with the Judiciary department, it shall be made by a neutral person which has no interest in the dispute. Think of it as the World Court which does this anyways or the United Nations.

1) No
1a) No, the reason for my objection is due to the guidelines restricted among a group of members. Better guidelines should be made for all the members of the AIN.
1b) Yes
2) Yes and no. No because this union is too young to decide on such a factor and no such occurance has prompted the need for one. Eventually, we will need a judiciary. Now is not the time.
2a) No. The CIB should be dissolved.

1. Looking over the discussion related to the CIB, I'd have to say that it's caused too much division to be allowed to continue. In other words: No.
1a. Sort of. The guidelines as they stand could be improved; exactly how they're improved is something the whole union should decide on.
1b. Yes, and for those guidelines we don't keep as is, we should vote on any potential changes to them.
2. I don't think a judiciary department is really necessary at this time.
2a. Not answering; I said no to 1 & 2.

1. No
1a. No, the AIN would do a better job
1b. Yes, all of us should vote
2. Yes

1. No, because I think the CIB served its part, creating guidelines for future wars and I don't think such catastrophe will happen again.
1a. No
1b. Yes, I agree with most of the established rules from the CIB
2. Yes. I think that in place of the CIB, we need a department that will decide rules whether it be admins or a voted jury/committee.
2a. No

1. Yes for the moment, test it out first before deciding the fate of the CIB.
2. No opinion.
2a. No opinion.

Gaius Baltar wrote:
2. Yes, Obviously the judiciary department isnt only for dispute, but to make sure nations follow laws we create. As well as delcon is showing us the Judiciary department is needed, his ban is not strongly enforced enough, for me, its a joke, a ban only when he goes on holidays and a 2 week ban with breaks in between, surely you must be s---ing my -ss. Right now its only enforced by the admin which may not be a "third party" in disputes in the future, judiciary would be more neutral and not partial to either side.

Ok, this I take massive offense to. I received that because I cooperated I played nice I said you know what I deserve it, I was banned for the first week and the admin felt that it was an isolated incident so I said listen I'm gonna be gone for a week its not fair for me to be out for 3 weeks can I split it up and they were all cool with it. And I got sick, so I came back and just dropped my 2 cents in on something before leaving again for vacation. I'm BACK for good, and I am totally sick of your blatant disrespect for me.

Might I remind the rest of the AIN on how well things were going until this guy showed up, we were very productive and we all got along just fine. Now he's attacking me constantly I'm getting p'ed and its stressing the union. For the continuation of this union ask this of you Gaius and the rest of the union. Either Gaius you are gone by July 11th and with you your blatent disrespect for me and my ideas or I will leave because I'm not going to sit here and be harassed by you.

and oh yeah as Peter said if someone feels you're unfit to be the FA adviser, I object strongly to that. I will leave the union before the 11th if you are awarded that spot this will include resigning as the commissioner of the AINC (although Nate I would be interested in running any non union conferences on Sim Sports)

A ban, to me is, a leave of absence inconvience of your schedule. Not, oh this is so unfair can I serve my ban while I'm gone camping? This is in 2 weeks later so can I be banned for a week and come back for a week until I go camping?

This is wrong for me, a 2 week ban is a 2 week constant ban not a chopped up/splitted ban. I'm pretty sure the majority would agree with me on this issue. SC4D, Simtrop, and almost any major forum follows this rule, so why shouldn't we?

And while you were gone, the AIN was productive as well, the members here make it productive, not just me or you. The AIN was productive before I came along, the AIN was productive while you served your ban, I'm pretty sure the AIN would continue to be productive regardless of what happens to us.

Good luck with your deadline, I believe this is your second time trying to get rid of me no? Whatever happened to the first deadline? Just ignored that one eh? Happy hunting.

Lol I agree with GB.

Your ban wasn't a ban but a leave of absence. You left and came back to your convenience, which doesn't necessarily punish you as a ban should.

Not trying to cause trouble here or anything. I'm just saying.

I'm being completely serious at this point, if anyone who has been here, for a while like Matt, like Aranho, like Nate or Peter thinks I'm unreasonable in this deduction please tell me.

Things were going great, no one was angry at eachother we were planning all these events we were happy go lucky looking to build the union and then one day we started fighting over the CIB (which might I remind you guys when I suggested it in the last conference everyone was cool with....) and since then I've served a suspension for profanity (which I still admit I deserved and I took graciously but asked for some le-way in return for being gracious about it) and we've been stressed out since. What changed in that time? Was it me? I don't think so, it might have been but really I've been cool with other people shooting my ideas down when we were putting together this union I was more than gracious when my ideas were beaten out but others. Was it the admin, no not really they grew stronger and really helped us out getting the calander going..... so lets see what's left to have changed? Oh yes, Gaius Baltar became a member, so clearly the only thing that will bring the union back to the way it was and back to normal is for him to leave or me to leave.... but I offer this as 2 real big questions to the members of the AIN.

Who was here since the beginning, I saw old posts with me saying yeah we have 7 members!?

Who has instigated the fights, was it me going directly after Gaius or was it him taking cracks at me unnervingly and me taking offense to it and fighting back?

And to the Admins
Am I not cooperative to you guys? I know the difference between right and wrong guys, and guess what I think Gaius isn't on the 'right' side and isn't 'right' for the AIN.
Who seems to be questioning you guys more, Gaius and his... well why didn't you in force his suspension cries? or me.... who has asked you guys to remove Gaius or at least suspend him and even though you haven't I haven't once gone against you guys for it.

Listen I'm saying this for the betterment of the union, Gaius is harassing me no if ands or butts about it. He also, despite editing swore twice in his previous messages. As someone who is not an administrator I can't say good bye Gaius so I will make the request to the Admin, please remove him permenantly because I feel that not even a suspension at this point will stop his harassment. If it is not done, because I care about the unions survival and his attacks seem to be limited to me I will leave come July 11th.

ehhh... hold on a second.... why did u refer to me as Delcon not dljrfn?

Lol just because you've been in this union for a while doesn't make you special.

I probably have more experience in being in a union than you have.

That's why I'm not bashing because I've been there.

I've also seen people threatening to leave just because they claimed to be harrassed, which causes more trouble.

Now, if you really want this union to survive instead of making everyone feel sorry for you, just settle down. All I see Gaius doing is complaining about the banishment you're supposed to take but aren't. Just take it. It's not like this forum is going anywhere.

Well, all I can say is that, if someone receives a suspension, the following things must be in place:

1) The starting date of the suspension and the period of the suspension (the admins must have a responsibility to give a date of the start of the suspension; if not, then it's the admins fault).
2) If you receive, let's say, a 14 days suspension, you must serve 14 days consecutively, not dividing it into sections unless otherwise specified.
3) If the suspended member wished to shift the suspension period to another period, that suspended member must send a request to the admins to shift the suspension period. The shifting of the suspension period must be approved by the admins.

I would also like to stress that you guys please do not send any threats, whether directly or indirectly. Dljrfn, your comment of whether gaius leave or you leave is somewhat of a threat. Also, please refrain from using vulgarities whether censored or not. Gaius, your comment of "s---ing my -ss" is a series of vulgarities alone despite being censored. So both dljrfn and gaius are at fault one way or another.

In addition, if any have any dis-pleasure, please PM the admins about it, NOT post your dis-pleasure anywhere you wish, or post it in some private section of the forum so that the general public do not see any conflicts.

I'm not against anyone and I'm being harsh on anyone. If anyone feels offended by my comment, please allow me to apologize for making you feel offended as it is unintentional.

Great points aranho. Look Gaius and dljrfn just pm the admins okay? Dont take ur anger out each other in the open public. Both you guy's actions are against forum rules. Lets just try to solve this kindly, and get over things. So please you two, and everyone else in this whole dispute, lets solve it calmly

that's fair enough Aranho but the fact is... I have been PMing the admins about this..... A LOT, this was the final straw for me, I've become completely sick of Gaius's behavior towards me and I made my self clear I am either leaving because I shouldn't have to put up with this constantly or he should because I see no help that any sort of suspension will do for our relationship and the union.

I agree with Aran. But this is the place to settle everything, calmly and civilized. We need to be united, and not divided.

With dljrfn's point in place, looks like the whole current dispute is summarized into two things:
1) dljrfn serving his suspension period in sections
2) gaius constant posting of his dis-pleasure of dljrfn onto the eyes of the public

All I can say is, of course, both parties is at fault. dljrfn should jus serve his suspension period consecutively and not cutting it into sections. Gaius, on the other hand, should just PM the admins (which I believe he did) and let to admins handle the rest, not [PM-ing the admins and] posting his dis-pleasure on the forum.

After all, there may be non-AIN member lurkers around this forum (in which some of them may wish to join AIN possibly) and if they see such comments on the forum, it may leave them a bad impression on AIN.

So, let's resolve this by 1) let the admins have the final say of the suspension period for dljrfn, and 2) Gaius must stop posting his dis-pleasure on the forum.

If either one of them (dljrfn or gaius) break the rules again, the admin will then impose a punishment on either one of them or both of them. Suspension is one of the possible punishment, so please abide by the rules.

Ok, I agree with most of what Aranho is saying but let me just explain how the suspension went down.


I used profanity and was warned by Nate through PM that I will be suspended for two weeks for breaking forum rules. I said ok, that's fair enough I broke a rule, I helped create those rules and I broke em so I'll serve it. Then I was thinking and went wait I'm at camp the week after my suspension so I won't be here anyway so is it really fair to give me 3 weeks for a 2 week offense? not really. So I calmly asked the Admins if my suspension could be split up so I wasn't gone 3 weeks. They agreed to this. That first week if you noticed my suspension was legit my account was locked and I was not aloud in to post or send PM's. A member even asked me on Simsports what had happened because I hadn't signed in.

When the second week came about I left for camp and got sick then came home (well to the hospital then home) but I was only home for Sat. Sun. and Mon. In that time some voting thing came up and I just posted quickly before leaving. During this time the admins never closed my acount for the week.

It's like one of those things when you get pulled over by the cops, if you're freaking out and swearing and arguing with the cop they're gonna give you a ticket. But if you are calm and respectful and recognize that you broke the law you might just get a warning or instead of a 200$ ticket you'll get a 100$ ticket. I was calm and respectful to the admins and they gave me a little slack and a little leash, and I thank them for that.

Ohhhhh, now I get it. Sorry for not getting the big picture dljrfn. My apologizes.

So I believe that you didn't serve 3 days during your suspension period. I guess we could let by these 3 days and forget about them. It depends with the admins though.

And I thought you were suspended for something else (insulting a fellow member). I guess I was wrong.

Thank you for being honest about not understanding the situation Aranho it takes a lot to admit your own mistakes and I'm glad you now understand the situation.

hey, thanks for explaining dljrfn, I was a little confused myself as to what went down