Day 11: Interunion Relations

AIN-Union Relations

Ok, so today will be dedicated to the heated discussion that AIN has been tackling since the birth of this union: AIN relations with other unions. Mainly, COFR. Its proven that AIN talks behind COFR's back and COFR talks behind AIN's back. My goal is to fix this problem. We need to stop scrutinizing each other. Then there's the issue of privacy. Even if we have private forums, there's a possibility that our info will get leaked in one way or form.

But as of the moment, AIN has no diplomacy between LoN(League of Nations), IPON and SCJU. We need to have connections and communication between these unions, regardless of our personal thoughts of them. I think that maybe our Foreign Affairs Head or the President should go over there and make peace with the said nations and COFR.

So, the topics of the day(feel free to add more topics): How should we approach each union(as each union will be hard to communicate with, namely SCJU, COFR and LoN)? Who should be an ambassador there? Should we have one person be an ambassador for each union or just send the Foreign Affairs head to all the unions? How can we make peace with COFR?

Well personally i think Max as the best chance to get relations back with COFR. Max is planning on setting up a inter-union summit with COFR, SCJU and AFDES. the LoN declined as union in vote to attend the summit. The summit is going to be soon. And its being held in Cap-Allee

Listen I know I'm the forerunner of the conflict with the COFR. My issue is simple, the COFR showed us disrespect when discussing some inter-union activities earlier in the summer and it left a bad taste in my mouth toward the union.
They never apologized for that.

When info started to leak from our site the issue was brought up again, I admit I took a look around the COFR site for some ideas and they have all the right to do that here but if they're spying on dual members that's an issue.

The last thing that was a pain was forcing members to put the COFR banner in there signature on our site. That's just appalling, if someone is a dual member in a union they should not have to advertise your union on another union's site. That's just a complete sign of disrespect.

Things I'd like to see;
The COFR apologizing for disrespecting the AIN because they have

A 'gentlemens agreement' that dual members in any union can not be punished for saying anything on another unions site.

A gentlemens agreement that you can not advertise another union on another site, ie. No AIN banners on the COFR site, no COFR banners on the SCJU site etc.

If all that gets taken care of I think the problems that sort of started this conflict will be taken care of.

^ if the COFR apologizes I'll let down my distaste toward them.

Dljrfn2000 wrote:Listen I know I'm the forerunner of the conflict with the COFR. My issue is simple, the COFR showed us disrespect when discussing some inter-union activities earlier in the summer and it left a bad taste in my mouth toward the union.
They never apologized for that.

When info started to leak from our site the issue was brought up again, I admit I took a look around the COFR site for some ideas and they have all the right to do that here but if they're spying on dual members that's an issue.

The last thing that was a pain was forcing members to put the COFR banner in there signature on our site. That's just appalling, if someone is a dual member in a union they should not have to advertise your union on another union's site. That's just a complete sign of disrespect.

Things I'd like to see;
The COFR apologizing for disrespecting the AIN because they have

A 'gentlemens agreement' that dual members in any union can not be punished for saying anything on another unions site.

A gentlemens agreement that you can not advertise another union on another site, ie. No AIN banners on the COFR site, no COFR banners on the SCJU site etc.

If all that gets taken care of I think the problems that sort of started this conflict will be taken care of.

Hey, just out of curiousity, what did COFR do? I'm still confused on how it all started...

I'll tell you guys the whole story after I'm done hostig the A Song 4 Hope concert.

Aranho wrote:I'll tell you guys the whole story after I'm done hostig the A Song 4 Hope concert.

good idea since you probably know the whole story a little better than I do because you were the one trying to build those inter union relations. I only saw what I saw on the AIN site.

Yeah, Cant wait to hear the story Aran

Okay. Here's the full story in timeline. And yes, it's long. I'll try to make it as details as possible. Those in bold are main points.
NOTE: Take note that Raffore Islands and Rafforsia are the same thing. Shalman Empire and Shalman Commonwealth also means the same thing. Also, certain things may be unintentionally written in bias sentence.

• Raffore Islands join COFR in September 2008
  
• Raffore Islands, together with Holidia, created a Raffore Space Programme (I was jealous into seeing that other COFR nations such as then-Shalman Empire, Diesmaran Empire, Oonte Rotocco, Hiigaran Confederacy, Holidia and Hypertrophy have space travel)
  
• Raffore Islands begun producing spaceships
  
• At one point (around February 2009), the spaceship production rate went up to as high as 5000 per month
  
• No one voice their concerns of unrealism
  
• Shalman Empire became a junta nation
  
• Raffore Islands impose sanctions on Shalman Empire (this spark a COFR Financial Crisis)
  
• Shalman Empire and Raffore Islands had [role-playing] quarrels regarding on who is superior
  
• Shalman Empire collapses after December 2008 Simlympics, became Shalman Commonwealth
  
• AIN formed in January 2009, Raffore Islands join AIN
  
• COFR-Fornax War began
  
• At one of the COFR Summit (it happen during the COFR-Fornax War), the Shalman Commonwealth proposed to place a fleet size limit on Raffore Islands; it was passed
  
• Most of the Raffore Islands 5000+ spaceships were then forced to be decommisioned to only 707. 100 Raffore Space Stations have to be lowered to 5.
  
• This make me develop a hatred towards Mike, although the hatred is not strong.
  
• COFR-Fornax War ends
  
• A census is to be collected from all COFR nations
  
• I inserted that Raffore Islands have 0% crime rate and 99.9% literacy rate.
  
• Mike (philly_boy, he is also the one in charge of the Shalman Empire and the Shalman Commonwealth) saw Raffore Islands Census and was unhappy with the census.
  
• Mike personally MSN me about this
  
• I was forced to change, but I told him that a role-playing activity would be required to change the crime rate and literacy rate
  
• I proposed that Raffore Islands entered into a civil riot and that the Raffore Government cover up all crime rate
  
• Mike agreed with the plotline
  
• Raffore Civil Crisis took place [See Raffore Civil Crisis at Rafforsia section]
  
• This Civil Crisis plot deeply ruin my original plotline for Raffore Islands
  
• Raffore Islands changed to Rafforsia
  
• EAS (Singasong Committee) created a set of rules to be tested out for 6th Singasong
  
• One of the rules state that "no explicit language" and "no song sumbitted must be in the Top 20 in any of the music charts in the world".
  
• 6th Singasong to be held by Shalman Commonwealth.
  
• Hypertrophy broke 2 rules in its 2 songs submission: one contains explicit lauguage, the other is in the US top 20 chart.
  
• Ray (owner of Hypertrophy) claims he didn't see the new EAS rules
  
• Mike kept on blaming Ray for not checking the rules
  
• Ray have to work everyday and have a wife to take care, leaving him little time to do his personally stuff.
  
• I sided with Ray and talk back to Mike, but I replied back in a more insulting tone then when Mike told Ray off.
  
• Mike got pissed off at my comment and cancel the Singasong
  
• Mike then send me a PM, saying that I must post the COFR Promo Signature at every SimCity website I'm in (especially AIN). I didn't post in AIN cuz I don't want to betray AIN.
  
• I posted the signature in AIN, but feeling that I have betrayed AIN.
  
• I posted an apology letter in Spaces, being a private thread.
  
• I too defame Mike's on my apology Letter.
  
• I too posted an apology letter on COFR, but not defaming anyone.
  
• Max read the letter and reported it to Mike
  
• As Mike is the First Minister of COFR, he gave me a one week ban.
  
• This made me to be a Mike-hater (or at least towards philly_boy only)
  
• Mike surprisingly quit as a First Minister of COFR
  
• During the ban, COFR passed the Union Loyality Act (full member of COFR cannot be a member of any status of other unions; ambassadorial member and COFR dependency are exempted of this Act).
  
• In an immediate response, I pull out of the Simlympics Torch Relay (I was sandwiched between 2 COFR nations during the Torch Relay so I pull out). This is the real reason why I pull out. In fact, there's no wedding dinner and friend meeting on that day.
  
• I then make Rafforsia a dependency of the Fornax Republic
  
• My ban was lifted
  
• I was given a dateline of October 15 to decide between COFR and AIN (it appears that the full member must be the main nation [Fornax Republic], not a dependency [Rafforsia] in order for the Act to be exempted).
  
• I request more questions about the Act
  
• Mike kindly reply
  
• I ask for further request and request that the dateline to be extended to November 15 as October 15 is one week before my GCE O Levels.
  
• Mike said that an extension may not be possible but he can't make any decisions on the extension as he no longer have the power to extend.
  
• Alex (monesgasquedude, he is the new First Minister of COFR) never say anything about the extension but ask me not to drag the matter and just decide, on the spot, whether I want to be in AIN or COFR.
  
• This made me furious so I quit COFR
  
• Within 3 minutes, I remove all COFR Promo Signatures, posting that Rafforsia is an AIN nations for all Simlympics event and post the announcement of Rafforsia leaving COFR across all SimCity websites.
  
• When I cooled down, I realise I am happy with my decision as COFR's pressure on my is very heavy. In addition, COFR has ruined my nice storyline for Raffore Islands.
  

And that's the end of the storyline. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to ask.

Here is where it picks up from there, and despite the COFR's rather dificult treating of Aran it's not where I became upset (minus the promo signatures);

-During the proposed interunion games the COFR voted almost unanimously against any interunion activities because they felt that we would just get sucked into the COFR like the (forget the name of the union). This was insulting seriously; they look down on us so much that we can't do things together?
-Everything cools down between the unions, I actually begin to look on the COFR site for ideas to help build up the AIN, and consider making a new CJ to be my AIN country and transferring Perthshire over to the COFR to help boost my Simlympic Aspirations.
-Everything goes down with Aran, I decide the COFR is not a group of people personally I want to associate with. I attempt to defend Aran and things chill
-I express distaste toward the COFR during the summit, in fact I begin to notice there are more COFR members on during the day than AIN members. monesgasquedude posts his short rant and I calmly tell him that if he has an issue with any of our members, he needs to do it not in our public boards he can PM or IM him to do that.
-I receive a threatening PM from monesgasquedude, with a rather obvious grammar mistake, I ignore anything he says because he's not worth my time and I just point out the grammar mistake.
-I get a long PM, that I didn't even bother to read from monesgasquedude today.


Basically if that is who they chose to run there union, an immature, can't even use correct grammar kid, then I have no respect for the COFR. Honestly if they want to get things done they should find a leader that will 1. be mature, 2. not be a tyrant as it appears philly boy was being, and 3. will not support arrogant behavior toward other unions. If the AIN wishes to build relations with someone we should first make sure that they wish to do the same and so far the COFR has shown no interest in any one who does not bow down to them like servants.

Might I suggest that the AIN look to build relations with the SCJU, I've been speaking with some of there members who voiced concerns over how I had mentioned them in one of my posts about the COFR; after explaining the misunderstanding they have been very understanding and mature.

Relations with SCJU? I don't know. I generally view SCJU as a threat cuz they are more pro than us. XD

But I'm coll in rebuilding relationships between unions.

Aranho wrote:I generally view SCJU as a threat cuz they are more pro than us.

So? we can learn from them; and they do not look down (at least outwardly) on other unions.

True, true.
It'll take me time to find out their good points though.

Y'all: the SCJU, as nice as they are, will not have anything to do with other unions, thanks for Dizflip and Gaius who ruined anyone's chances of ever being cool with SCJU.

Peter wrote:Y'all: the SCJU, as nice as they are, will not have anything to do with other unions, thanks for Dizflip and Gaius who ruined anyone's chances of ever being cool with SCJU.

After reading, and posting, some stuff on the SCJU site I would disagree with that statement... partially.

It seems the SCJU, the LoN, and COFR members are interested in this 'ice cream social' event that we seem to be discussing on the SCJU boards just a matter of building ties with not unions as a whole to do inter union activities (because as Peter mentioned, Private Brainless and Sargent dickless ruined it for pretty much everyone... and yet he's still on the ISC how?!) but with other SC4 players in unions and for the union leaders to build ties personaly.

Any way, I think this social event will occur as for when and what sort of medium will we use to discuss things, and 'where' this ice cream social idea will take place is unknown at this time.

If you want to be crude on how things look like they will play out, take the beer summit as a prime example.

May I know the link to the discussion over at SCJU please?

And this casual chat summit, I might be able to attend. After all, I'm partially responsible for the mess we are at. But I need to know the timing and the date.