Hiigara on the question of Cattalian Forces in Kegi and Uroboria.

by **hiigarar** 22nd September 2011, 21:48

Hiigaran Confederacy ask to gather for the first time the Security Council, on question of Cattalian Military Personal being located in Uroboria, not informing Hiigara nor Shushtrepistaz Military Command, which wore together on a mission against seperatists. We demand that Cattalian Representatives in the Security Council anwser why wore they there and why wore they spying on the Shushtrepistaz and Hiigaran Forces.

Also we demand that the security council, if Cattala is found breaking the laws of the Alliance, that sanctions are made against Cattala.

by **Blakeway4** 22nd September 2011, 22:19

Syldavia supports Hiigara's initiative.

by **ForthWall** 22nd September 2011, 23:00

Shushtrepistaz supports Hiigara's initiative.

by **Thomas** 23rd September 2011, 19:41

The United Kingdom of Cattala will rigorously defend these charges and strongly denies the claims made by the Hiigaran Confederacy, Federal Republic of Syldavia and Shushtrepistaz.

--Ambassador to the Alliance Security Council--

by **ForthWall** 29th September 2011, 00:50

The Uroborian Government will like to bring evidence to this statement when the council is ready

by **hiigarar** 29th September 2011, 00:53

Hiigaran Confederacy Military Command "Eye Of Sajuuk" likes to bring evidence of the Cattalians Spying on Hijaran-Shushtrepistaz Military in Uroboria and Kegi.

by **Kevin** 30th September 2011, 11:53

The Federal Republic of Corraile refuses to take any stand on this matter, but will press for a fair and just investigation into the matter.

Office for the Representative of the Alliance Security Council

by **hiigarar** 3rd October 2011, 13:33

Hiigara on the question of Cattalian Forces in Kegi and Uroboria. 8x30MilitaryMarine

"Cattala Scandal

As the battle rages on against the militia is Eastern South Uroboria, the information came that Cattala Special Forces wore located in the region not informing any nations that are in the Alliance Peace Mission. Hiigaran Military was informed that there wore found Cattalian Personal working in the region. Shushtrepistaz has demanded that the Special Forces be triled under there national law."

The Hiigaro-Shush Forces located in Kegi and Eastern South Uroboria, have found Cattalian Military Personal in the region. The event shocked many of the fighters against terrorists and seperatist. We believe that the Cattalian Side was spying on Hiigaran Military and gathered information against us.

We believe that Cattala has broken laws of Shushtrepistaz, as they should have informed of there military being in the region. Also they put under the risk there own people, as there was a risk of them being killed by the Pizen Pact Military, creating a possibility of a full scale war in the AIN. We also believe that Cattala tried to get information against the Hiigaran Confederacy and to use the information to harm us.

We demand that Cattala be sanctioned and that military trade with the Cattala be ended. We also demand for the international group (Chosen by the Security Council) to be sended to Cattala and that there military be checked. We also demand that the Special Forces that wore send to Eastern South Uroboria be send to courth.

We ask for Cattala to reply about this.

by **Neil** 3rd October 2011, 16:04

Is é an rialtas náisiúnta Cill Orglan seachas go mór le haon Comhaontas na Náisiún Neamhspleách nó idirghabháil Comhaontú Pizen míleata i Uroboria. Beidh muid ag argóint ghlacfaidh sé aon seasamh i measc impiriúlachais agus go mór a mholadh go tharraingeoidh sé siar ó ár gcara agus a chuid fórsaí armtha ally Cattala láithreach.

The national government of Killorglin is heavily opposed to any Alliance of Independent Nations or Pizen Pact military intervention in Uroboria. We shall take no stance in the bickering amongst quasi-imperialist powers and strongly recommend that our friend and ally Cattala withdraws its armed forces immediately from any armed intervention the nation is engaged in.

by **Thomas** 3rd October 2011, 18:56

The United Kingdom of Cattala strongly denies the accusations made by the Hiigaran Confederacy. The region our operatives were working in was an area in the midst of a war and therefore not under the control of Shushtrepistaz or Syldavia and our special forces are not required by international law to co-operate with a nation that could be committing human rights offences in the region our operatives were located. They were specifically investigating claims of suspected human rights abuses by rebel and Shushtrepistaz troops.

Claims that our actions would have resulted in a military response from the Pizen Pact is incorrect and an unjust argument because the Pizen Pact didn't even exist at the time of this investigation. Our special forces operated in Uroboria to see if human rights were being breached in a war zone and any claims that this was a reckless attempt to create a world war are ridiculous and highly exaggerated.

Attempts to inspect and investigate the military of a Security Council member are highly intrusive and infringe on the sovereignty of Cattala. As an Alliance of Independent Nations, we should hold the integrity, independence and sovereignty of member states in the highest regard and any attempts by nations such as Hiigara to intrude on these key foundations of a nation will be viewed as presumptuous, invasive and deeply concerning.

by **Blakeway4** 3rd October 2011, 22:37

Hiigara on the question of Cattalian Forces in Kegi and Uroboria. Mofasyldavia

The Cattalan answer do not explain their military special forces presence in our neighbour and ally Shushtrepistaz. Maybe this is accepted for nations like in the NATO that doesn't care about the CIA interventions that are occuring in their nations but it ain't the case in the AIN and especially not in the Pizen Pact countries.

Cattalan Government wrote:The region our operatives were working in was an area in the midst of a war and therefore not under the control of Shushtrepistaz or Syldavia and our special forces are not required by international law to co-operate with a nation that could be committing human rights offences in the region our operatives were located. They were specifically investigating claims of suspected human rights abuses by rebel and Shushtrepistaz troops.

This means that there was a Cattalan military presence in Shushtrepistaz. This also means that Cattala citizens with illegal weapons were shooting in the middle of a armed conflict that involved Shushtrepistazian civilians and Hijaran and Shushtrepistazian military. This means they should be judged by South Uroborian tribunal.

Cattalan accusations of human rights abuses should be developped and investigate. We are waiting for Shushtrepistaz's comments on the subject of human rights and about Cattalan answer.

Petrov Kiovska
MINISTER of FOREIGN AFFAIRS of SYLDAVIA

by **ForthWall** 4th October 2011, 01:42

Thomas wrote:

The United Kingdom of Cattala strongly denies the accusations made by the Hiigaran Confederacy. The region our operatives were working in was an area in the midst of a war and therefore not under the control of Shushtrepistaz or Syldavia and our special forces are not required by international law to co-operate with a nation that could be committing human rights offences in the region our operatives were located. They were specifically investigating claims of suspected human rights abuses by rebel and Shushtrepistaz troops.

There have been no such reports or filings of any human rights abuses by the Shushtrepistaz Troops, as they never entered combat yet, only the air force has been engaged in military actions, currently you are say libel, for the rebel forces, due to their nature have been committing these human right abuses, and many who did not show aggression were captured and arrested.

Kegi is a area of which is controlled by the Shushtrepistaz Government when the bombings had started, other areas were owned by South Uroboria, which is technically under Shushtrepistaz since it never had fully left the control of the nation

DOD - Fourtuitus Wallus

The area you have entered was restricted land only to be used by Shushtrepistaz, and to an extent Hiigarian military, along side the Uroborian Guard, therefore you were not permitted onto the land, currently the High Court of Uroboria see this as an espionage operation conducted illegally by the Cattala Military.

- Urobrian High Court Chief - Kyon Zirj

by **emgmod** 4th October 2011, 07:00

Hiigara on the question of Cattalian Forces in Kegi and Uroboria. Illuadfa

The United Republic of Illu'a does not support unnecessary military intervention, this case included. However, we would like to state a few points about the case:

- The section of South Uroboria was obviously not under the control of Shushtrepistaz at the time the special forces were present. If a country is forced to bomb an area of their own territory, they do not have control over said territory.

- Cattala had good reason to assume human rights offenses were taking place in South Uroboria, but they should have asked for permission from the Shushtrepistaz government before conducting the mission. A quick "no" would have sufficed instead of a special forces operation, unless Cattala believed the Shushtrepistaz government could be lying.

- The Pizen Pact appears to be an incorrect solution to the problem. Multiple countries turning their back on a single country because they feel threatened isn't a solution - it's a reversal of roles.

- Cattala and Syldavia share the same currency. If Cattala is forced sanctions or other invasive measures, the effects could possibly backfire on the Pizen Pact.

- Besides simply being in the country and investigating human rights issues, what else have the Cattalan forces done in South Uroboria?

by **Spy9600** 4th October 2011, 14:05

Hiigara on the question of Cattalian Forces in Kegi and Uroboria. Foreign%20Affairs%20Logo

Permanent Member of The AIN Security Concil

The Atlantic Federation does not recognize that the situation in South Uroboria was under control. However, previous warnings to the Syldavian Authorities should have been emitted before the Cattalian Government could position troops in South Uroboria.

The Atlantic Federation does recognize there is a chance Cattala could be spying Syldavia, specially after the polemics with the Syldavian 3PY Agency last year.

The Atlantic Federation disagrees with anykind of economic sanctions until all proof comes to light.

The Veratlantean Federal Government suggests a neutral team from different AIN Nations should investigate the case.

The Atlantic Federation defends that Syldavia and Shushtrespitaz should have supported the humanitarian aid by the other Alliance nations though. There was no effective effort in aiding the population of South Uroboria, which may excuse Cattala if there wasn't any spying operation going on.

by **Thomas** 4th October 2011, 18:35

The Forza D'Assalto members operating in Uroboria did not fire their weapons and were under specific orders not to attack either Syldavian/Shushtrepistaz/Hiigara troops or rebels during the investigation. Our intelligence informed us that the military of Shushtrepistaz may be using heavy weaponry in a civilian area within Kegi. Therefore we could not discuss the matter with the national government due to the fact that they may attempt to hide any evidence of this possible threat to civilian life.
The United Kingdom of Cattala has worked alongside 3PY and other intelligence and government agencies from the so-called "Pizen Pact" nations - a group that didn't exist at the time of this operation and therefore a non-entity - prior to this investigation. We would not risk our relationship with these partners by accusing them of human rights abuses or by spying on them and therefore had to be certain of the facts before formally investigating the claims made against Shushtrepistaz via diplomatic means.

We were deeply concerned about the impacts of this war on the civilian population of Uroboria during this conflict and the reports coming from our sources in Uroboria suggested that there was a possibility of abuses happening in the state and going unreported. The Forza D'Assalto is fully trained in human rights investigations and isn't just a military force. The main concern of the troops was for the civilian population of the island - not with political ramifications or concerns for the governments of nations involved in the conflict.

by **hiigarar** 4th October 2011, 19:56

Hiigara on the question of Cattalian Forces in Kegi and Uroboria. Fdd

The territory of eastern south uroboria, belongs to the Shushtrepistaz Country. The Hiigaran-Shushtrepistaz military has called for other nations to enter the region for peace keeping and destroying the terrorist.

"Fears of a collapse of a government in East Uroboria and the conflict that has risen in all of Uroboria, have created a problematic situation for states that have interest in Uroboria Island. Many people in Uroboria demanded AIN Nations to enter the region for peace mission and to help with food prices." - Jun 24, 2011. Taken from Alliance 13 Channel.

Hiigara called for all nations, openly to come and support the region. Cattala could have contacted Hiigaro-Shush Military for them to join in.

"Many companies around Hiigara have started gathering food for the East region in South Uroboria. First ship with support for the people have left three days ago. The worries now that most of the food that will be send to the region not reach the people that are in need. The ships will land at the South capital of Jeakei and then go east. The problem mainly is that the region is in chaos, Train connection with the east main cities is closed and the government in the east has no control over the situation. Already many experts call that the regions government has collapsed and the question of the South Uroboria Unity as one state being questioned. Will the food reach the people?

The Clan of Ursal, one of the most powerful clans in the Senate of Hiigara, have called for a joint military intervention in the region and take control of the main routes and create a safe zone for refugees if needed. If joint mission of AIN nations be gathered, the Hiigaran Eye of Sajuuk Legion will be send to the region and also a small fleet to protect the coastal cities. The Senate of Konfederatisk has started the vote on entering the region with military and to return the region to the controlled situation. " - Jun 24, 2011. Taken from Hijaran Vesti.

"Glad the Hiigaran Military is going to help restabilishing peace." - Jun 24, 2011. Taken from Hijaran Vesti Replies.

The intervention did get support from the alliance nations, but only two have started fighting the terrorist and seperatists that have attacked civilians and destroyed peace in the region.

Hiigaran Confederacy is worried that many nations forget the incident of Sep 13, 2011 when Airplane heading for Vladivostok was hijacked and plans on attack on Konfederatisk (Hiigaran Capital) wore made. The plane was hijacked by people that are fighting a brutal war against there own people and against the rightly elected government.

The Forza D'Assalto as any military/ in AIN, could have demanded for investigation and could have demanded to join in. But no official propossition or demands wore made. Hiigaran-Shush and now Syldavian military would not be against any of investigations. We are against "Strike force" entering the region, without informing the high command.

"After the revealing of Cattala Special Forces being in Uroboria without permission or notice, The Government of Shushtrepistaz ordered a full "cleaning" or removal of these illegally placed troops, this troops if caught were to be put on trial, or sent back to Cattala..." - Jul 15. Taken from The Das'gotn Times.

by **Blakeway4** 4th October 2011, 23:08

Syldavia didn't interfere military in the conflict. We helped with humanitarian aid and we watched carefully the border in cases of rebels trying to pass it to escapte to Syldavia. Normally, the border isn't military guarded, but after the Week of Terror, Syldavian government interfered and put tanks over the major roads crossing the Uroborian Island border and is currently watching carefully until the conflict ends.

Always talking about the Pizen Pact and saying that the countries in it are turning the back on AIN or something ain't true. The Pizen Pact has nothing to do with the intervention as said before that it didn't exist at the time. Otherwise, 4 members of the current 6 members of the Pizen Pact are part of the conflict.

3PY may have information about Forza D'Assalto's intervention and the Syldavian government is fearing they are lying about their "pacific" intervention and think they did fire with their weapons and the Cattalan government still didn't explained why Forza D'Assalto had weapons nor why they were in South Uroboria. We suspect their accusations of human rights abuses by Shushtrepistazian forces to be false and said only to cover their presence which is still undeterminated.

by **ForthWall** 5th October 2011, 06:36

I want to clarify some things before we proceed

South Uroboria is owned by Shushtrepistaz

South Uroboria is semi-sovereign

South Uroboria gave all authority to Shushtrepistaz Hours after the conflict in Kegi Began

Uroboria is divided into 2 nations, North (Owned by Syldavia) and South (Owned by Shushtrepistaz)

The Syldavian Military Intervened Mid-Conflict as suspicions arose of rebels escaping into Northern Uroboria

Now to arguments stated by the Uroborian President Niko Kenio

Spy9600 wrote:
The Atlantic Federation does not recognize that the situation in South Uroboria was under control. However, previous warnings to the Syldavian Authorities should have been emitted before the Cattalian Government could position troops in South Uroboria.

The Syldavian Government has no Authority over South Uroboria
- President Niko Kenio of South Uroboria

Spy9600 wrote:
The Atlantic Federation defends that Syldavia and Shushtrespitaz should have supported the humanitarian aid by the other Alliance nations though. There was no effective effort in aiding the population of South Uroboria, which may excuse Cattala if there wasn't any spying operation going on.[/i]

The Shushtrepistaz and Hiigarian Government had provided Aid to South Uroborians, even had hired TirnGlobal Logistics to ship many medical supplies

DOD - Fourtuitous Wallus

Thomas wrote:
The Forza D'Assalto members operating in Uroboria did not fire their weapons and were under specific orders not to attack either Syldavian/Shushtrepistaz/Hiigara troops or rebels during the investigation. Our intelligence informed us that the military of Shushtrepistaz may be using heavy weaponry in a civilian area within Kegi. Therefore we could not discuss the matter with the national government due to the fact that they may attempt to hide any evidence of this possible threat to civilian life.

The Shushtrepistaz Army was never in South Uroboria
DOD - Fourtuitous Wallus

Thomas wrote:We were deeply concerned about the impacts of this war on the civilian population of Uroboria during this conflict and the reports coming from our sources in Uroboria suggested that there was a possibility of abuses happening in the state and going unreported. The Forza D'Assalto is fully trained in human rights investigations and isn't just a military force. The main concern of the troops was for the civilian population of the island - not with political ramifications or concerns for the governments of nations involved in the conflict.[/i]

The people of South Uroboria who had not been living in the area of Kegi, had not been affected by any of this, many live normal lives with slight gaurd, the people of Kegi were evacuated during the protests and before bombings commenced days later

Jero Kingsler - People of Uroboria Union

*The People of Uroboria Union is a Union of citizens and government officials who in 1998 began operations in recording information, handling rallies, and proposing laws to keep Uroboria as one, many of there statements are backed up by Federal Officers

by **Kevin** 5th October 2011, 12:27

The Federal Republic of Corraile officially does not recognise the existence of either Syldavian or Shushtrepistazian control over South Uroboria during the time of the presence of Cattalian military presence in South Uroboria.

Despite claims by both Shushtrepistaz and Syldavia that South Uroboria ceded full power and sovereignty over all matters of the state, including welfare and safety, as well as security to Shushtrepistaz, Corraile's official stand on the issue is that it cannot accept full control over South Uroboria.

While military forces in South Uroboria are considered legal actions, given that South Uroboria is a protectorate and subordinate state of Suhsutrepistaz, it would be unfair to say that Cattala's military intervention is fully unjustified as well.

As claimed by the United Kingdom of Cattala, military presence in South Uroboria was to "see if human rights were being breached in a war zone".

Furthermore, there have been no reported incidents regarding civilians in South Uroboria and Cattalian military personnel so far. This means that arguments over Cattala's supposed "breach of human rights" is considered null and void.

by **ForthWall** 5th October 2011, 14:54

Kevin wrote:

The Federal Republic of Corraile officially does not recognise the existence of either Syldavian or Shushtrepistazian control over South Uroboria during the time of the presence of Cattalian military presence in South Uroboria.

Despite claims by both Shushtrepistaz and Syldavia that South Uroboria ceded full power and sovereignty over all matters of the state, including welfare and safety, as well as security to Shushtrepistaz, Corraile's official stand on the issue is that it cannot accept full control over South Uroboria.

While military forces in South Uroboria are considered legal actions, given that South Uroboria is a protectorate and subordinate state of Suhsutrepistaz, it would be unfair to say that Cattala's military intervention is fully unjustified as well.

As claimed by the United Kingdom of Cattala, military presence in South Uroboria was to "see if human rights were being breached in a war zone".

Furthermore, there have been no reported incidents regarding civilians in South Uroboria and Cattalian military personnel so far. This means that arguments over Cattala's supposed "breach of human rights" is considered null and void.

What you are saying is that Cattala entered South Uroboria before the war started investigating something that did not exists until the riots happened or you are saying that Cattala entered on the first 5 hours of these riots, which is unlikely unless they were already there.

Jero Kingsler - People of Uroboria Union

I believe that these nations are trying to make up stories against Shushtrepistaz, and other nations, contradicting statements that are the truth, or not reading through the passage before them

Jero Kingsler - People of Uroboria Union

by **Kevin** 5th October 2011, 15:37

No - let us clarify our stand on the situation.

The date is irrelevant. We feel that Cattala's presence is not entirely wrong. While there are some irregularities with the decision to initiate military action in South Uroboria, an "incursion of territory" cannot be said for Shushtrepisatz, since we do not recognise South Uroboria as an official part of Shushtrepistaz, but merely a subordinate state.

Remember, that Corraile does not recognise South Uroboria as part of Shushtrepistaz, and that if Cattala really did commit crimes against humanity (or human rights), we challenge the plaintiff states to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that these things happened in South Uroboria.-"

by **hiigarar** 6th October 2011, 22:45

"The Federal Republic of Corraile officially does not recognise the existence of either Syldavian or Shushtrepistazian control over South Uroboria during the time of the presence of Cattalian military presence in South Uroboria."

We are outraged that a part of some country, even if there is a revolt is seen as not there part. We are outraged that the Cattala are said to have the right to be in the region at this time. No one from the military interevention did give the Cattalian Strike Force the right to be in the region.

Let us remind all of the New Oren incident, when Atlantic, Galdabia and Corraile had started fighting a REBEL force. Could the Hiigaran Confederacy enter the region demanding of peace and saying that Atlantic, Galdabia and Corraile comited crimes?

Why is there no support for the New Oren and no fears of New Oren citizens being killed, lossing there homes? There was information of refugees.
Taken from The Atlantic Informer -
"Aproximately 2 million civil refugees natural from New Oren arrived from Wednesday to this Friday, a big and alarming number. The Atlantic Federation suspended the visa requirement for civil Orenians arriving in military or voluntary ships."

The Freedom and Full right of Shushtrepistaz to defend its territories is under question. The Terrorist and Rebels in Uroborian Island, are seen as "freedom fighters", not as terrorist that comited crimes against Hiigaran, Shush and Syldavian. (Hijacking of Plane, Terrorist attacks against Hiigara and attacks on Shush citizens living in Kegi).

The children of Hiigaran 16 States are worried that the AIN is becoming separated in two blocks.

South Uroboria belongs to the Shushtrepistaz. North Uroboria belongs to Syldavia. No country, strong or weak can enter a territory of a country.

by **Thomas** 7th October 2011, 09:37

During civil war, the boundaries of whether South Uroboria was a protectorate or a fully-governed state were non-existent as the island was in the midst of widespread violence and attack. The government was not in control and was clearly not in a position of power any longer - the military was and the Shushtrepistaz military was not in South Uroboria, according the Shushtrepistaz itself. Therefore, nobody seemed to be in control of this land.

No AIN country has recognised the Uroborian rebels as legitimate rulers and nobody has called them "freedom fighters" except the Hiigaran Confederacy. And if you wish to question the recent situation in New Oren, you should take that into another discussion elsewhere in the Council.

by **Blakeway4** 7th October 2011, 14:26

Thomas wrote:

During civil war, the boundaries of whether South Uroboria was a protectorate or a fully-governed state were non-existent as the island was in the midst of widespread violence and attack. The government was not in control and was clearly not in a position of power any longer - the military was and the Shushtrepistaz military was not in South Uroboria, according the Shushtrepistaz itself. Therefore, nobody seemed to be in control of this land.

Speculations more? What makes the Regal government believe that all they say is true. This statement above just came out of nowhere. The island wasn't in the mids of widespread violence and attack. The Province of Uroboria (North Uroboria) which is a Province of the Federal Republic of Syldavia, didn't have any violence or attacks head in the territory since it was protected by the Syldavian military at the border and the violence was only in Kegi area. South Uroborian capital Jeakai was safe. The only place that has violence was Kegi.

Cattala is clearly only defending itself by accusing the Hiigaran, Syldavian and Shushtrepistazian governments of being liars. They still didn't recognize the Forza D'Assalto was an illegal military force with firearms in the territory of Shushtrepistaz and more specifically South Uroboria.

by **hiigarar** 10th October 2011, 21:21

"Cattala is clearly only defending itself by accusing the Hiigaran, Syldavian and Shushtrepistazian governments of being liars. They still didn't recognize the Forza D'Assalto was an illegal military force with firearms in the territory of Shushtrepistaz and more specifically South Uroboria."

We demand that Cattala responed and also reply what was the Forza D'Asslto (Strike Force) doing. As we had only "watery" responce about them looking in to the civilians being harmed.

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