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This is nominal. And I will add OFS' figures tonight and update the charts tomorrow.

Excel is very useful with all these calculations. I've managed to make the formula's entirely automatic so when I change something everything is update.

I'm watching you, Alexander.

I always though Karasem is the lowest GDP percapita. but for the total GDP isn't so worse

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Nation Name: Cattala
GDP: $125,085 million
GDP growth 2008: 1.9%
GDP growth 2009: -5.1%
GDP growth 2010: 1.2%
GDP growth 2011 (Q1-3): 2.5%
Expected GDP growth 2011: 2.9%
Expected GDP growth 2012: 2.4%
Expected GDP growth 2013: 2.7%

Reasons for GDP growth: The continued recovery of the Cattalian economy, from five quarters of negative growth between Q4 of 2008 and Q1 of 2010, is consisting mostly of manufacturing and production growth due to tax reforms and government investment in major infrastructure projects. Cattalian financial services have been subdued domestically by the crisis in the Eurozone, although increased trading in the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) have benefited the general services sector and quaternary industries such as IT. Primary industries, including farming, fishing and quarrying, have led the recovery of Cattala's economy thanks to a strong harvest in 2011.

Main growth areas of economy over next 10 years: Expected GDP growth between 2012 and 2013 is based on Bank of Cattala estimates, due to the necessary redevelopment in MENA countries affected by war and expansion into the Next Eleven markets, due to falling trade with the EEA and North America. Manufacturing and high-value goods are expected to be the main growth of Cattala over the next 10 years, with financial services leaving the European Union due to better taxation and access to MENA economies in Cattala. Trade with the AIN, BASIC and N11 blocs is likely to make up most of the rise in economic production and gross domestic product over the next decade.

Nation Name: Fairview
GDP: 103,569
GDP growth 2008:-0.6%
GDP growth 2009:-1.1%
GDP growth 2010:-0.3%
GDP growth 2011 (Q1-3):0.2%
Expected GDP growth 2011:0.2%
Expected GDP growth 2012:0.4%
Expected GDP growth 2013:0.8%

Reasons for GDP growth: The decade crisis as it is called in Fairview have not yet finished but we inverted the tendency this year. 2011 was a very difficult year but the recuperation of the economy program that the government announced in 2009 and that stills continues for more four years, allowed Fairview not to follow the others euro economies and permit a positive growth of GDP, although it stills a very low growth. The financial analists say that the recovery was very good but the risk of crisis infection is permanent.

Main growth areas of economy over next 10 years: Since Fairview economy entered in a deep crisis from 1999 to 2009 in that decade we had no growth. The last two years (2010 and 2011) we have expanded our economic policies and commercial trades to South American and African nations, like Angola and Brazil, providing us new contacts and new places where to invest.

Not nitpicking or anything but these per capita figures are really high. $30,000 and up are the "upper crust" of the world. Most AIN countries would be realistically between $18,000 and $25,000; ones in potentially less developed areas such as Syldavia, Kamchatka and Hiigara would probably be even further down into the $9,000-$18,000 region. Island nations are usually pretty poor as well, but that's because they're much less developed than the island nations often portrayed by city journals.

Also alot of times, especially in Europe and Asia, the per capita is lower because the cost of living and the cost of goods is lower as well.

Just food for thought, in no way am I saying everyone has to drop their numbers down because we're not simulating real life here although we're making an effort to. Figured I'd contribute that to help the realism value in the union for those who potentially don't know these statistics.

GDP: 4,631,000 millions
GDP growth 2008: -0.22%
GDP growth 2009: +0.01%
GDP growth 2010: +0.09%
GDP growth 2011 (Q1-3): +0.11%
Expected GDP growth 2011: +0.11%
Expected GDP growth 2012: +0.14%
Expected GDP growth 2013: +0.12%

Reasons for GDP growth: Growth of Tertiary and Secondary Jobs and a stabilization of primary industries.
Main growth areas of economy over next 10 years: Growth of Secondary Industries

Nation Name: Meridiania
GDP: 545.08 Billion
GDP growth 2008: -0.8%
GDP growth 2009: -1.1%
GDP growth 2010: -0.4%
GDP growth 2011 (Q1-3): -0.3%
Expected GDP growth 2011: 0.6%
Expected GDP growth 2012: 1.0%
Expected GDP growth 2013: 2.0%

Reasons for GDP growth: Major Car Manufacturers such as Carne, Kilburn, Jamieson, expand, both domestically and into international markets. Kilburn will begin a new brand which will offer their sportscar technology in reasonably priced cars. As computers become more commonplace in the modern world, more professionals who need training to cut down on attacks and help move the computer industry forward will be needed. As the world expands and more people begin living in high wealth nations like Meridiania, more construction jobs are required to make newer housing in large cities like Angelorium, West Coast, and Vulputate.

Main growth areas of economy over next 10 years: Automotive Manufacturing, Information Technology, Construction

Jacob, my nation is based off Australia, which has a GDP around... 55,000? And my nation is basically a modified version of Australia.

Is that in millions?

I keep thinking per capita I fixed that.

Nation Name: Lorenta
GDP: 1,059,877 (millions of USD)
GDP growth 2008: +1.19%
GDP growth 2009: -1.15%
GDP growth 2010: +1.94%
GDP growth 2011 (Q1-3): +2.51%
Expected GDP growth 2011: +2.65%
Expected GDP growth 2012: +2.76%
Expected GDP growth 2013: +2.81%

Reasons for GDP growth: Many big corporations in Lorenta, including MARS, grew domestically and international, which helped to boost several economies. Over 700,000 jobs have been added since the recession of 2008 - 2010 (3,545,000 people were unemployed). Big growth was in two main industries, technology and pharmaceutical/health care, with around 101,000 jobs added in technology, 85,000 added in pharmaceutical and small businesses created over 45,000 jobs. Many other industries added jobs rapidaly counting for the other jobs created in Lorenta. Unemployment rates are dropping all across the nations. Major redevelopment in urban areas and surrounding communities have created a sustainable and inviting environment. Housing has improved with rates dropping at a consistent rate.

Main growth areas of economy over next 10 years: Areas such as small business, healthcare, pharmaceutical, technology, and banking/accounting is expected to grow in the coming years. Major corporations are in the works of creating more jobs and expanding internationally (as well as domestically).

Will - Your nation has 542 Trillion GDP????

Forth... where are you looking at? It says billion beside his numbers.

JacobS. wrote:Not nitpicking or anything but these per capita figures are really high. $30,000 and up are the "upper crust" of the world. Most AIN countries would be realistically between $18,000 and $25,000; ones in potentially less developed areas such as Syldavia, Kamchatka and Hiigara would probably be even further down into the $9,000-$18,000 region. Island nations are usually pretty poor as well, but that's because they're much less developed than the island nations often portrayed by city journals.

Also alot of times, especially in Europe and Asia, the per capita is lower because the cost of living and the cost of goods is lower as well.

Just food for thought, in no way am I saying everyone has to drop their numbers down because we're not simulating real life here although we're making an effort to. Figured I'd contribute that to help the realism value in the union for those who potentially don't know these statistics.

Syldavia isn't less developed. My GDPpc is realistic. You can read my marvelous wiki to learn about it before stating that it's unrealistic

Cost of living in Europe is lower? You kidding right?

"Hiigara would probably be even further down into the $9,000-$18,000 region."

Hiigara is not less developed, as posted in many updates on history and on 16 countries of the Hiigaran Confederacy, we have less developed countries like Genosha, Melkia and Malden. But we have a strong industrial regions like Albion, Kushan-Lesov and three Slavic States of Albion which are the leading economies in the black sea region and in Hiigaran Confederacy, as many updates i have posted on history, social and economical living of the country and how Hiigara is one of the leading economies in AIN.

And we are not rednecks for being former Russian countries or copying some parts of Russia Most of are countries are advanced and realistic on the matter of economical growth. Visit our wiki or our journals.

JacobS. also do you have skype? If yes, you can join the community skype convo and talk to all who is on skype, just pms me your skype nick, I will add you up.

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Nation Name: Exaletas
GDP: 8,100 (in millions of US$)
GDP growth 2008: 0.00%
GDP growth 2009: 0.00%
GDP growth 2010: 0.20%
GDP growth 2011 (Q1-3): 5.71%
Expected GDP growth 2011: 2.47%
Expected GDP growth 2012: 1.99%
Expected GDP growth 2013: 1.86%

Reasons for GDP growth: Exaletas was a secluded nation until earlier in 2011, when upwards of 10 corporations opened doors in Exaletas. Now, it is becoming an industrialized nation at an increasingly high rate.

-Exaletas is home to many naval and other military manufacturing companies, including Lorenta's MARS.

-Shustrepistaz's Sokoya Heavy Industries is one the largest industrial employers in Exaletas, with 5,000 Exaletians employed. This company works to manufacture all kinda of large ships.

-Techanea (Lorenta) is a computer hardware manufacturing company that also offers 5,000 jobs.

-Exaletas also has a small chain of resort hotels, and a pharmaceutical chain. Lastly, Exaletas shares a naval base with Shustrepistaz where 3,000 Exaletian naval troops are stationed.

Main growth areas of economy over next 10 years: Exaletas is a rapidly growing economic power, even though it is very small. This year was the first year of industrialization, and growth is expected to be a slower, exponential pace the next decade. However, Exaletas has always been deeply ingrained in agriculture, and will very likely export crops to neighboring lands.

I'm just saying, most of the GDP figures I see are very high income countries which are not usually typical of their regions even with heavy economical development. The GDP I chose for Ciarnesia ($16,000) is on the middle end of it's area as some of the countries around it reach as far as below $5,000 (Moldova, a nearly direct neighbor, has a GDP of $3,082).

I accounted for economical positives and negatives in my per capita GDP compared - it's intended to be much higher than that of Ukraine, Moldova or Belarus which are highly underdeveloped countries; but trumped by Hungary, Poland and Slovakia which hold much more economical power.

As I see it we have seven perfect GDPs in the union -

• Lower Columbia at $43,578, is fitting because it occupies a middle class area of Canada and the US where the cost of living is very high.
  
• Callare, at $39,482, is fitting because of it's location "within" high-income Australia
  
• Catalla, at $29,468, is fitting because it is at par with neighboring Italy, where the cost of living is also very high
  
• Killorglin, at $20,344, is fitting because judging by the posts so far in it's city journal, it is a rustic and rural country - rural often means less money in peoples' pockets
  
• Fairview, at $23,223, is fitting because it is at par with neighboring Portugal, which is among the upper middle income countries.
  
• Martazuela, at $7,500, is fitting because it is among the middle ranks of South American countries, most of which are still developing
  
• Karasem, at $3,422, is fitting because it is among the lower income island areas of Southeast Asia

The only point I'm really trying to make about the GDP figures is expression of superiority. A country with a GDP of over $25,000 is within the top 45 in the world, over $30,000 within the top 25 in the world, and over $40,000 within the top 10 in the world. It just seems unlikely that countries with highly impoverished neighbors, even after accounting for heavy economical growth, would be among anything more than the top 40.

Shushtrepistaz and Okatabawashi are very close because they are presumably influenced by Japanese high tech industrialization, low to mid 30,000s are still highly acceptable for a country of those statures as Japan itself has issues with urban overpopulation and rural poverty.

It is realistic for a former Soviet country to be within the $22,000 to $27,000 mark if it is de-socialized. Syldavia and Hiigara could easily fall under that category, Ciarnesia and especially Kamchatka could not because of the amount of state-owned property and industry.

The concept of socialism is the government taking all the wealth and redistributing it to the public, most of which work under public industry. Socialist countries rely on foreign trade because domestic trade is not as widely available as in a capitalistic country; this leads to lower income levels because foreign buyers are not purchasing the goods with the amount of markup applied to domestic buyers. This, combined with high tax rates, contributes to very low per capita income.

Also, $15,000 to $26,000 is not by any means a poor country. Countries within those levels only account for 12% of the world, countries above $15,000 only account for 31% of the world. In contrast, countries under $7,000 account for nearly 50% of the world

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But, let me re-iterate a few things.

• First off, this really isn't as big of a deal as I assume people think I am making of it. I'm just simply sharing the knowledge I have in connection to creating a more realistic union. The point is to put it into perspective, not to try and influence everyone into lowering their GDP. That is your choice, I'm just merely stating facts, statistics and opinions that I know of.
  
• The examples I use are not meant as a personal attack on anyone or their sense of realism, it is simply for the sake of example and demonstration of my points.
  
• When I mentioned lower cost of living in Europe, I was referring to Eastern Europe. I probably should have made that clearer. Cost of living can get very high in Western and Northern Europe, of course, but that also demonstrates one reason why Western European countries have a higher GDP/C than eastern european countries, even the more developed ones.
  
• I'm not trying to spark an argument or a debate or reform here. That comment was meant to be benign advice.
  
• And yes, I'll get skype, considering it seems to be a staple of communication here. Maybe a conversation on skype is what we honestly need to clear the air about this anyway.

So does this mean Lorenta has a abnormal GDP/GDPpc? Look at wiki for the stats.

SmartbyLaw wrote:So does this mean Lorenta has a abnormal GDP/GDPpc? Look at wiki for the stats.

Without a location or in-game pictures available I can't exactly tell, I'd imagine it could be as 38,000 places it among the top 15 in the world.

JacobS. wrote:Shushtrepistaz and Okatabawashi are very close because they are presumably influenced by Japanese high tech industrialization, lo to mid 30,000s are still highly acceptable for a country of those statures as Japan itself has issues with urban overpopulation and rural poverty.

Shush has sanctions with Japan. They don't do trades. It's complicated, you should read his wiki. As of Okatabawashi, it was influenced by China, not PRC, the other one, Taiwan's.

JacobS. wrote:It is realistic for a former Soviet country to be within the $22,000 to $27,000 mark if it is de-socialized. Syldavia and Hiigara could easily fall under that category, Ciarnesia and especially Kamchatka could not because of the amount of state-owned property and industry.

Again, you didn't read about Syldavia We are socialists. And we have a mixed economy.

JacobS. wrote:The concept of socialism is the government taking all the wealth and redistributing it to the public, most of which work under public industry. Socialist countries rely on foreign trade because domestic trade is not as widely available as in a capitalistic country; this leads to lower income levels because foreign buyers are not purchasing the goods with the amount of markup applied to domestic buyers. This, combined with high tax rates, contributes to very low per capita income.

That's not socialism. You just described communism...

Not sure how well they resemble eachother, but I'd say Atlantic Federation's would be about $27,000. You can adjust that figure to your own economy, whether it's stronger than Atlantic Federation's or not.

Shush has sanctions with Japan. They don't do trades. It's complicated, you should read his wiki. As of Okatabawashi, it was influenced by China, not PRC, the other one, Taiwan's.

I'm still relatively new here as far as current nations are concerned so bare with me here. Shushtrepistaz's sanctions with Japan would strengthen it's economy as it's in business for itself. As for Okatabawashi, Taiwan is a high income country, Taiwanese influence could lead to a strong economy as well.

That's not socialism. You just described communism...

The difference between socialism and communism are the application of the concept, socialism still heavily relies on that concept, but communism is solely based on it. In a socialistic economy you are allowed to have a certain level of free enterprise and personal income that is not permitted in communism. Socialism is still a redistributive economy in the fact that a large sector of the hypothetical socialist country's industries are state owned.

The Atlantic Federation has one of the biggest economies in the AIN and Galbadia and the AF are VERY close allies (both in the Atlantic Commonwealth). The AF would be one of the top nations in the world. And seeing as Lorenta's economy is based on pharmaceuticals, technology, banking/accounting (based of the US), and research/development of new products. I believe it is safe to say that my GDPpc would not be as low as 30k, let alone lower than 27k.

Lets just end this conversation. Everyone seems to have their excuses as to why their country should have such a freakishly high GDP. I don't want to start an argument here which is what this is turning into. I don't intend on starting off on the wrong foot, nor do I intend on offending anyone's creative rights. I was simply trying to push a sense of open mindedness into the concept of less inflated GDP values. I'll continue to have my "low" GDP, everyone else can continue to have their very high GDPs. As I've said it really doesn't matter this much.