Re: Arcacia et al. V Aleksania

by **Tyler** 15th June 2010, 05:15

Aleks you said you launched it with an artillery shell? I thought in your statement you said you couldn't use artillery because the KSR would destroy it first?

by **emgmod** 15th June 2010, 05:24

Aleks, your story has a lot of holes in it. Can we get a story that makes sense?

by **Aleks** 15th June 2010, 15:51

Saathoff wrote:Which could have easily launched conventional weapons Aleks. Which puts you into question why you choose nuclear weapons instead of normal weapons

That was answered in the Opening Statement

danspaceman wrote:We would like to point out that Aleksania's account of the flight path from LA to Redding is incorrect. The map provided shows the flight path from LA to Sydney, nearly 800km to the South. The actual flight path takes the aircraft directly over the bomb site as it was originally meant to stop in Auckland, New Zealand en route to Redding.

Aleksania also claims that the bomb exploded in a valley, yet the photograph of the bomb in the original news story shows very clearly that there were no valleys, no mountains, no nothing to contain the shockwave. At any rate, mountains on either side would not have stopped the shockwave from going up, only out.

As far as fallout in concerned, New Zealand was put on high alert for the possibility of fallout as the prevailing Easterly winds threatened to blanket New Zealand's largest city in radioactive material as well as threatening New Zealand's pristine wilderness and unique wildlife.

Aleksania detonated this weapon without any thought as to how it might affect its neighbours.

Aleksania could have used cruise missiles or any number of ground based heavy artillery that would have been equally effective without being a risk to neighbouring countries or the heavily trafficked trans-Pacific air corridors.

[(Off Topic: I'm sorry, I couldn't find a pic with mountains in it)]

Arcacia et al. V Aleksania - Page 3 Map10

If the Aircraft was flying directly over the bomb site, as stated, it would not only have been violating closed Aleksanian Air Space (which, as stated above, was closed for two weeks prior to the incident (and at the time of the blast)), it would have still been far off coarse, and it would have been detected by Aleksanian or KSR radar, neither of which detected any airliners within 250km of the blast site.

Tyler wrote:Aleks you said you launched it with an artillery shell? I thought in your statement you said you couldn't use artillery because the KSR would destroy it first?

This was one shell. Using conventional weapons, it would have been a long bombardment.

by **Saathoff** 15th June 2010, 18:18

A long bombardment would have forced the other side to retreat from bombing not come towards you. So saying that they would have stopped is no excuse

by **Daniel** 16th June 2010, 07:23

It would probably be best if Aleksania stopped guessing the flight path of Arcacian Airlines flight 10 as the Aleksanian government did not file the flight plan, Arcacian Airlines did.

The flight path shown is a direct GPS route, not a high-altitude corridor as was followed by the flight. The flight was skirting around the (allegedly) closed airspace.

The bright flash was reported to Auckland Centre and confirmed by an Air New Zealand flight in the vicinity.

The fact that the blast was witnessed is not in dispute. There are recordings that were preserved by the air traffic controllers in New Zealand. As reported by the pilot, the blast was visible at the aircraft's 10 o'clock at a distance reckoned by the pilot to be 200 nautical miles. The aircraft was at an altitude of 38,000 feet.

The event was witnessed by at least 2 different aircraft. It posed a direct risk to these aircraft. That Aleksania detected neither aircraft says either the radar was faulty or Aleksania's account is less than truthful.

The indisputable fact remains that Aleksania detonated a nuclear weapon when there were other methods available that would have had the desirable effect without posing a risk to aircraft or neighbouring countries.

No warning was given, not even to Aleksania's (then) allies. One can only consider that this was either done hastily, or else it was well planned and premeditated and any warning to friendly countries would have resulted in an outcry against it. So, Aleksania just did what it wanted. Selfishly and arrogantly detonating a weapon of mass destruction without any regard whatsoever to anyone else in the area.

Aleksania claims that it's airspace was closed 2 weeks before the event. Funny - that's the first Arcacia has heard of this airspace being closed. Flights to South America were being routed through the allegedly closed airspace during these 2 weeks without any issue.

Aleksania is yet to demonstrate, by any measure, how this was the only option left to it. The so-called "KSR" has not been elaborated on. The court has not been shown why they were such a threat that the nuclear option was the only option available. If Aleksania was indeed in danger of being "wiped of the face of the Earth," why did Aleksania not seek military help from its (then) allies?

Arcacia is led to conclude that the "KSR" were not the threat that they were made out to be as Aleksania did not behave as though it was in danger of being destroyed. Arcacia is led to conclude that this was in fact a nuclear test on human subjects and the "KSR" were merely test subjects.

If Aleksania used this weapon against a legitimate enemy, then it is guilty of using a weapon of mass destruction, as conventional weapons would have provided the same result.

If Aleksania used this weapon against a perceived enemy, or an invented one, then it is guilty of one of the grossest atrocities against humanity that Arcacia has ever witnessed.

Aleksania is yet to provide evidence that supports its claim that the nuclear option was the only one left available. Arcacia is led to conclude that they have no evidence to support said claim.

by **emgmod** 16th June 2010, 08:26

Illu'a also never got any word of the airspace closure. In fact, Illu'ans were evacuated from Fornax via Aleksania City. The evacuations started on May 19, exactly two weeks before the nuclear bomb was launched. Look at these posts:

1. http://www.aoin.eu/caroline-wars-f72/may-2010-country-wide-bombings-t2313-12.htm#20524
2. http://www.aoin.eu/caroline-wars-f72/may-2010-country-wide-bombings-t2313-12.htm#20531

Out of Character: Did you just say you launched a nuclear bomb, then made up a story around it? Because it sounds like you are doing that.

by **Kevin** 16th June 2010, 12:00

Out of character: I think he did so because his war with the KSR was really not getting the attention of AIN members, so he decided to use weapons of mass destruction to get us to condemn it and get some action and member participation about his war.

by **Aleks** 16th June 2010, 15:23

http://www.aoin.eu/aleksania-ksr-war-f19/republic-of-aleksania-airspace-shut-down-t2237.htm#19448

by **Daniel** 17th June 2010, 03:31

I stand corrected.

by **Saathoff** 17th June 2010, 20:01

But still you still haven't given a reason for the use of nuclear bombing instead of conventional when you would gotten the same result, but without the fallout of the nuclear bomb

by **Blakeway4** 17th June 2010, 20:41

Hey guys [not role playing], sorry to disturb in this, but well I just saw this and may someone explain me a bit what is this about?

by **Aleks** 17th June 2010, 21:47

[OFF TOPIC] Dan, are you like a lawyer or something?

by **Daniel** 18th June 2010, 02:27

Julien - Aleksania dropped a nuclear bomb as an act of war and we are suing them for it.

Aleks - No, I'm not a lawyer. I just know my way around a courtroom. Uh... I should clarify - I've never been in one, I just know the law and I'm good at arguing.

by **Aleks** 19th June 2010, 00:07

danspaceman wrote:Julien - Aleksania dropped a nuclear bomb as an act of war and we are suing them for it.

Aleks - No, I'm not a lawyer. I just know my way around a courtroom. Uh... I should clarify - I've never been in one, I just know the law and I'm good at arguing.

If you mean to start a war then no. just clarifing. Smile

by **emgmod** 19th June 2010, 01:36

Out of Character: Are we done?

by **Saathoff** 20th June 2010, 03:00

Yes

I now call for the Jury to vote. Please write not guilty or guilty on your slip of paper. And hand to the foreman. (Send to Saathoff via PM)

by **Aranho** 20th June 2010, 11:25

I believe I'm one of the jury (representing the Minister of Education, Safety and Health), right?

by Guest 20th June 2010, 11:29

I 'm not be jury. So now not vote.

by **Saathoff** 20th June 2010, 18:07

correct

by **Tyler** 20th June 2010, 21:35

Yea, Aran you're on the jury

by **Kevin** 23rd June 2010, 14:43

When can we get a decision?

by **Saathoff** 23rd June 2010, 17:51

After receiving the jury's votes, the Jury has came to a unanimous decision.

I hereby declare in the case of Arcacia et al. V Aleksania, Aleksania GUILTY as charged. Aleksania will recieve a 4 month export/import ban of any military weapons or anything related to military. Also will receive a 3 month export ban on any goods from Aleksania. Aleksania has a 5,000,000 AINERO Fine to pay

by **Liberater444** 23rd June 2010, 18:41

Is there no way Aleksania can receive a military import ban so they cannot procure any more WMD's?

by **Saathoff** 23rd June 2010, 18:43

Approved. Aleksania also can not import any military needs.

by **Kevin** 24th June 2010, 04:27

Saathoff wrote:Approved. Aleksania also can not import any military needs.

Forever, or just the 4 months?

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