Why the AIN must cut ties with the COFR

I WILL KEEP POSTING THIS TO GET THE WORD OUT

This will probably be quite a shock for a lot of you, as it was to me. But I have concluded that the attacks on the forums and wiki were perpetrated by none other than Mr.Nate Saathoff.

Your probably asking your self, why would he do such a thing? What does he have to gain? Well thats really quite simple. Nate would like nothing more than to see the Alliance of Independent Nations fail. This is a fact. What would he gain from the AIN failing? He wants full control. He is known to be power hungry as you saw in the October Crisis. He would like nothing more than to have control of both COFR, and AIN members.

We can stop him, by banning him from the forums along with other COFR members we can stop him from infiltrating the union and destroying it. This all may seem very radical but unfortunately is the only way we see possible to save the union from Nates expansionist ways.

He is a dictator, If you see him as a better option than the AIN, go ahead. But I promises you members of the COFR will never see free elections. Nate would never allow it.

Please fellow members of the SC4 community put a stop to Nate Saathoff, keep your wonderful union going.

The evidence


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THE EVIDENCE CLEARLY SHOWS SOMEONE FROM HUMBOLDT IOWA NATES HOME TOWN COMMITTED THE ATTACK

Wow... You really did put a lot of work to this. And, yes I agree with your statement! If he really did this, then do it in a mature manner, don't be childish. That will only add more fuel to the flame. (Better yet, you'll be starting a flame war. Thus, if that's the way it is, then both unions are pretty much being childish. Therefore, I don't like childish unions which will make me quit. However, if Nate really did this, then he's gonna be one of those hackers who hacks for fun then. Trust me, it's all rage quit.)

No childish union here ))). But still this topics need to be in one topic and stop creating topics around the forum on the same matter. We have more interesting things then this. We are a mature union and if he did this then we can just ban him from our forum and wiki and that is that. So lets just keep on having fun, this cofr matter is not so interesting.

The weird thing is that, it looks like you took the posts from Thomas' Confidential pictures, unless you hacked his account searched it if it was public or you are thomas, no offense here

Search my IP if you wish, I am not Thomas

Then, how did u get the pics?

I have my sources that is all I will say, but that really is besides the point. The issue is Nate Saathoff.

An IP address search indicates that this person is from Toronto, Canada.

For what it's worth, I agree with him. Diplomacy isn't all sunshine and rainbows - sometimes one must take a hard line. This is my attitude towards the COFR. We'd all be better off if we ceased all relations with them.

I will not support the applications of COFR members as observers. I will not support any dialogue with the COFR.

I will support a permanent ban on all COFR members.

Daniel wrote:An IP address search indicates that this person is from Toronto, Canada.

For what it's worth, I agree with him. Diplomacy isn't all sunshine and rainbows - sometimes one must take a hard line. This is my attitude towards the COFR. We'd all be better off if we ceased all relations with them.

I will not support the applications of COFR members as observers. I will not support any dialogue with the COFR.

I will support a permanent ban on all COFR members.

A vote then? It's only fair enough...

I think we should vote on it, however, only after there has been a discussion. Those in favour and those against should outline their arguments first.

how 'bout we have a meeting on the matter and discuss it. maybe we should have 2 for the other time zones. We should allow someone from COFR to speak on their behalf. Then we should vote.

As long as that person is not Nate or Tyler, I'm fine with that.

I've posted a proposal in the Legislative Assembly. I think a meeting should be a part of that process.

These are proves that Nate Saathoff is behind all of this, I think we should advice the true members of COFR to speak and we together should ban Nate of SC community!

Ironically, all these cyber attacks on AIN seems to be inspired by the recent WikiLeaks cablegate incident. UnitedStatesGov and WeAreAnonymous are related to the cablegate, with the later hacking on websites that are against WikiLeaks.

I don't think it's ironic, I think it's just the cover story chosen by Nate in a poor attempt to cover his tracks.

Possibly. But still, I'm disappointed in his actions. If this initiated by all of COFR, I'm disappointed.

But can we rule out that someone hacked his account and attack AIN? Or the possibility is there?

But what possible motive could they have?

Also, the pages that were targeted is telling. Cattala and Arcacia were deleted, the home page vandalised. Also, Lanaya was deleted. My thoughts on this is that Nate meant to target Lycanthia, which was untouched.

calaré was also deleted

I wish to clarify my position on this.

I do not wish for Nate or anyone else involved in this (which will eventually come to light) to have any part in the AIN, his legacy as president here was already ruined by the October incident, during which i was absent from the union. These further actions have earned him quite the name around the AIN and indeed the wider SimCity community.

I will however accept an AIN democratic vote by the members on whether we give the COFR2 a second chance at relations, including their self-appointed chancellor - whom I have many different highly descriptive words for.

I will also accept any attempts at dialogue/permitted relations with other members of the COFR2 who i deem to be mature, worthwhile and indirectly involved on the disgusting attack on our wiki. Though I believe such members cannot become fully integrated members of our union without denouncing membership of the COFR2 purely due to the fact that they are still a part of the poisonous regime controlled by a wee boy from Iowa, who thinks he is quite the big man - you aren't and with an attitude like yours never will be.

The COFR2 was and still is damaging the reputation of the predecessing COFR and their own exhumed union from the day it was created. The union will continue to fall down the steep slope of totalitarianism until Nate is removed from power. I'm sorry if Nate takes any offence from this - he is quite the easily offended sort of lad judging by his heavy-handed reaction to jokes in the past, however maybe its time he grew up and faced reality.

Nate you can not control everything, oppression of those you lead will always lead to rebellion and your removal from that power you crave.

Neil

Effectively still de jure Chancellor of the COFR
Former AIN Administrator who has had to work (and resign) under Nate
Member State of a properly run, democratic union

*snicker*

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▲What he said.

The good name of this thread should be: Why you should stop posting in this forum and wait in the Cattala Summit. :scratch:

I don't even know why we need a summit. This is an AIN issue, and the COFR shouldn't be involved in our decision making process whatsoever. They should go away, let us discuss this as a union and come to a decision, then abide by that decision.

We don't need a summit. We need to hash it out and I think doing it in this thread, sans COFR, is far more productive.

The COFR, by way of their actions, have forfeited any right of reply here. Giving in to bleeding hearts diplomacy and inviting the lion into the chicken coup is a recipe for disaster.

I will not have any part in the summit. I will post my opinions here. As I've said time and time again, I want nothing to do with the COFR.

I agree whit Daniel. But well i call that we members of AOIN a great union, be more paitiant this will soon end. So please be patiant post photos and have fun! And join the Dance Ball. Also making a video for all Members of AOIN sooo relax and have fun!